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 | Movies and shows like Kill Bill have always annoyed me because they lean into the narrative that women have to be abused and beat down to become stronger. So in cinema it becomes some right of passage for women, which unfortunately, I believe, gives men an unconscious excuse for abusive behavior, simply because we see so many of these stories where women become "stronger" after abuse. Just saying, you can tell when things are written by men because they almost always do that when they are trying to portray a "strong" female character and it really bugs me that ppl find it entertaining Комментарий от : @conniesmith676 |
 | Alien is more gender-neutral, but in Aliens Ripley has lost her baby and forms a mother-daughter bond with Newt. She becomes more feminine in Aliens which adds to her character. Комментарий от : @oliverford5367 |
 | Thought of this video after watching Oppenheimer today. There are ABSOLUTELY wrong ways to write women and Nolan needs help when it comes to that. Комментарий от : @ashleydickerson1905 |
 | If you want another great example of women in media, particularly women characters written by women, I recommend the 2017 movie "Revenge". Trigger Warning for Mentions of Sexual Assault Revenge is a rape revenge horror movie where, unlike a lot of the movies, the woman goes out and gets revenge for herself. The protagonist also isn't some virgin pure good girl either. She is portrayed as being quite vapid at the beginning of the movie, she is having an affair with a married man and freely expresses her sexuality. The whole point is that her sexuality is her choice, no one else's. Okay trigger warning over It was written and directed by Coralie Fargeat and was her debut feature film. She has an excellent of use of colour and shot composition in the movie Комментарий от : @charlottesearle7997 |
 | Steven King has got it right exactly twice. Lisey's Story and Doloroso Claiborne. He is one of my favorite writers and it pains me to say it. But his female characters feel super phoney and his sex scenes are all about penetration with no foreplay. That isn't relevant I suppose but still. Cmon Steve. Take a girl to Coney Island Before you ask her to hold your hotdog man. That's just manors. I sound like a tool. I just mean, there are definitely wrong ways to write women and men. If you don't care about the characters as you write them and you struggle to find something for them to do, or to know what they should say or how they should say it? You aren't being honest with yourself. That's doing it wrong. Комментарий от : @danlewis7707 |
 | 4 Annoying Main Female Stereotypical Characters That Entertainment Companies Should Seriously Stop Showing: 1. The Helpless Damsel In Distress 2. The Hypersexual Seductress 3. The Rude Spoiled Diva 4. The Whiny Misandrist Man-Hater 4 Amazing Main Female Characters That Entertainment Companies Should Definitely Show: 1. The Adventurer 2. The Clever Scientist 3. The Successful Entrepreneur 4. The Warrior Helper Комментарий от : @zack27986 |
 | That night vision scene is truly terrifying. I love it lol Комментарий от : @raquellewallace |
 | Writing women is easy : www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FbBkahoASg Комментарий от : @FrenchLegitimist |
 | sigh who cares if someone looks at you? 🙄 Комментарий от : @tenome4314 |
 | This is really nice and insightful. The one thing I disagree with is that if a female character is driven by revenge and carries it with fighting, it doesn't make it an inherent masculine trait (revenge isn't male, neither is fighting, we're just accustomed to seeing an overwhelming amount of content that showed that representation exclusively. But it's lack doesn't determine its definition). Seeing Beatrix embody qualities of physical attributes and an unapologetic karmic spree never bring out a "oh, just like a dude!" feeling. If anything, it's given me permission to believe that abstract concepts such as "revenge" and skillsets we've historically barely been allowed to indulge in such as fighting and martial arts can be embodied by female characters just as much, but they haven't BECAUSE of this belief that they're inherent male traits. Комментарий от : @doratarani192 |
 | What’s ironic about silence of the lambs is how everyone is treating her like an outsider while Hannibal treated her as an equal, in a creepy way sort of Комментарий от : @hbm7350 |
 | There are wrong ways to write women Комментарий от : @lalaland8151 |
 | Ignore gender, that’s the best advice in the world Комментарий от : @Rinkyu |
 | I don't think that the bride is behaving like male hero's before her she is doing what every other women ( who is a trained at martial arts and harmed so much by some people)would do. The thing is before this most of the time only men are shown hunting for revenge in movies. So people associat this behaviour to man while anyone who would do what the bride did ( like Bruce Lee, Jackie chan or furiosa ) Комментарий от : @phenomenal14U |
 | The best way to write women is to know women Комментарий от : @kaiaross9218 |
 | No wonder there are Mary Sue in today media nowadays. Комментарий от : @hyperturbofox17 |
 | I don't see The Bride trying to be masculine. Maybe a misunderstanding because she got those combat skills and strength like a man. I mean she's a former assassin and most of her female opponents has the same skills as her. And think of the fact that her baby was taken from her that leads to her wrath. Комментарий от : @jameswilliam2003 |
 | I disagree that there's not a wrong way to write women. Just analyzing Alice from Closer we can see that. Mostly at the pole dance scene. It's very cringy. Комментарий от : @biancabarreto1756 |
 | Beatrix kiddo was not the only badass woman in KILL BILL That Universe was full of bas ass women, Tarantino made it a normal female behaviour. And the consistency was awesome. Комментарий от : @olddelhifilms |
 | Sorry but what the hell would you know about the “ female experience “???? Комментарий от : @sophiemarie7125 |
 | This video was extremely disappointing for so many reasons but judging by how firm you seem in your opinions I don't think you'd entertain any different ones. Just wanna note how a majority of positive feedback in the comments is coming from other men. Комментарий от : @sydneygraham1470 |
 | In my opinion ----- Examples of Female protagonists or strong females done right: Kiddo kill bill Hermione Harry Potter Angelina Jolie's tomb raider Ripely alien Black swan Trinity matrix Devils wear Prada Harley Quinn (depending on which movies) Sucker Punch We are the Night Sarah Connor t1 and t2 Wanted Salt (ehhh..so so) Alice in re1-2 V for vendetta Annihilation Bad examples: Rey Star Wars Jennifer Lawrence's mystique - so terrible That new terminator movie Captain marvel Escape Room (I think her name is Zoe?) Bella twilight (dear lord) Black widow except in end games The new Charlie's Angel film the last of us Starks Game of Thrones Eleven Stranger things Hunger Games Every female leads in Transformer films Divergent series Cloverfield paradox Wonder Woman Brave Korra The new tomb raider film The Phoenix film Almost anything Ruby Rose is in (no we don't need a sexy lesbian man wannabe to show that women can be powerful and handsome and cool too) All resident evil films after the 3rd one Fast and furious Комментарий от : @flyerthantheg6 |
 | I really dislike the fact that you seemed to think that femininity is something "weak" or "a flaw". Комментарий от : @croissantsaregreat856 |
 | A woman wrote me, but that not what you meant by "writing women". Комментарий от : @aaronlevy6054 |
 | Even though most women were tough in kill bill, doesn’t mean they can’t be feminine. Fr though the Chinese-American woman literally wore heels when she shot someone in the head Комментарий от : @mgsgamer8340 |
 | I want Greta Gerwig to write & make lots of movies💯❣️And Saorise Ronan to lead all of them😅🖤 Комментарий от : @dnambiar8025 |
 | you sound like youre from alabama lmao Комментарий от : @the-birbo |
 | 9:08 arE YOu SuRe AboUt tHAt Комментарий от : @squidy7771 |
 | Hold up did he just say, "...the fantasy that gender can be ignored..." Комментарий от : @cadepope4093 |
 | Can anyone please tell me where to find that awesome guitar beat used here as a background score? Thanks! Комментарий от : @DASADYofficial |
 | Glad a man explained how write women for me Комментарий от : @cronniec.1723 |
 | OK, I gonna try not to complain. Kill Bill and alien are just a bad start. Here's what I have to say, agree or disagree. When you choose to ignore the feminine side of a female character, that character can become unable to connect with female audience while not requiring men to connect with a female characters. It is the whole women grew up reading men's stories but men never read women stories. I am in the mindset that no amount of trauma disconnects a woman (no matter what type, trans or cis) from their own brand of feminine energy. By excluding it ignores the effects that living in a somewhat "man's world" does to the female story. Комментарий от : @leximinton9352 |
 | Note that Aliens (1986) made Ripley's gender significant. This channel uploaded a video about it that deserves more views. Комментарий от : @shiranuiaensland1442 |
 | Wow😍👌✨ Комментарий от : @maimohamed3590 |
 | yeah.. this is exactly how my mom and me argue Комментарий от : @lara_xy |
 | 8:43 idk if it should even be restricted to different movies. if it fits within the theme of the film, female characters should be able to go back and forth between "masculine" and "feminine" within the same narrative... cuz that's how women are in real life lol Комментарий от : @fantical999 |
 | Thought this video was gonna teach me how to write the word "women". Disliked Комментарий от : @shawk1184 |
 | Perhaps you only focus on American cinema,but directors such as ingmar Bergman, RW Fassbinder, von Trier or Almodovar are brilliant at portraying different,realistic female characters,neither masculine nor 2dimensionally "female",but plausible & relatable. (Petra von Kant,Persona,Cries&Whispers, Fear of Fear,Face to Face, Nymphomaniac,Medea, Melanchola, what have I done to deserve this?, Volver, high heels, Maria Braun etc.are great examples of this. My recommendations ❤️) Комментарий от : @notdeadjustyet8136 |
 | great vid Комментарий от : @finhammatt5164 |
 | No love for Kara Thrace as Starbuck? Комментарий от : @Ltulrich |
 | Just because someone fights against harms being done upon them does not mean they are not victims of that harm Комментарий от : @firedreams1 |
 | I agree with some of these comments pointing out that the masculine and the ”man” should not be the glorified quality nor the only way to write female characters. To be feminine and female are valid qualities too. And the fact that the society despises them, tells that we need more stories highlighting these characteristics and qualities. Комментарий от : @ainokarlstedt6538 |
 | "There is no wrong way to write women" * Charlie's Angels (2019) existing * Комментарий от : @nico-fq4yh |
 | I feel like the issue is when a writer thinks "how do I write this gender" instead of "how do I write this person". Men and women are different but not that fucking much. Just write a character with like a real person and it works. Комментарий от : @crimsonking440 |
 | 5:12 "This quest for revenge echoes the popular storyliney of old american westerns" - Shows a picture from OUATITW, an italian Western great video tho Комментарий от : @letsscarejessi4742 |
 | Alien Ripley might be genderless but aliens Ripley is a story about motherhood ... The final fight is the battle of two mother the alien Queen and Ripley Newt spiritual mother Комментарий от : @bigfoot9034 |
 | I dont think this women has masculine elements because they are written by men. We all have masculine and femenine elements to ourselfs. Комментарий от : @romilemon |
 | (Guy) I like how in alien it’s not like ooh look how great women are she took down the bad guy it’s just like look how great ripley is , ahead of its time Ok I’m sorry I didn’t watch the whole video when I made this Комментарий от : @mymanslippy |
 | Actually, Clarisse takes advantage of her female privilege. If a tiny weak dude showed up to the academy, the other men would destroy him. They don't do that with Clarisse because she is a woman. Комментарий от : @kalbininkas |
 | I loved Real Women Have Curves. I don't remember the protagonists being skinny white women, but the plot still holds up. Комментарий от : @mrbunnyjr |
 | Ellen Ripley is considered a strong female character because of Alien S not Alien. In Aliens she is a mother, recovering from the loss of her daughter, finding a surrogate daughter that she risks death to save. Комментарий от : @GMMReviews |
 | Maybe heroic traits aren't inherently masculine, men just tend to show them more often than women, so they're thought of as masculine. Комментарий от : @sassafrassanid5718 |
 | Your take on Alien is wrong. Ripley’s gender is 100% a part of things, why do you think her orders are ignored and she’s undermined? Poorly researched. Комментарий от : @wvnder |
 | Yo this video was sexist and soooo binary. “Exceeds past her gender” why are you making gender so limiting? Women are people lol. What a man you are. Комментарий от : @L0ve4Cookies |
 | cinema isnt important because it gives you a window into them. it's important because it gives us a window into us. its nice you see us, maybe, or whatever stereotyping you project onto what was said about us. weak, feminine, vulnerable. the point of the story isnt you. the point is that we listen to each other and you only get a chance to listen in. Комментарий от : @hannahep5148 |
| silence of the lamb was bad female writing because she only stood silent in rooms with men. you got the experience of what you think women have tried to explain, the assumptions of men about women. let women explain in their own works. their own language if you are a man and want to write a woman, stop writing women you are attracted to. start writing women you have spent years with and try and figure out the beats of their lives. what matters to them? what do they say and what do they mean? why? stop thinking woman start at sex and end at childbirth. women don't think like that. even women who have children live past raising a preteen, men get really confused about what happens to them. i want to know too. no one has told me that story, not in a way that believe or see a my life in, and I will probably not experience it feeling like the world gets and values me. Комментарий от : @hannahep5148 |
 | There's a lot of confusion in the comments as to what the "wrong way" to write a female character is. There's not really a wrong way, but more so an unrealistic way that I believe many are trying to get at. Take Rey/Rae from Star Wars, live action Mulan, or even Captain Marvel. They themselves aren't horrible characters, but their stories lack ang sort of substance (like hardships or character development). We never watch those movies and feel like at any point they'd fail because they're unrealistically perfect, and thats what makes them less than compelling to watch on screen. Комментарий от : @samiroxs6973 |
 | The current issue of inequality has so much to do with the mistake that maleness=masculinity and femaleness=femininity, AKA sex=gender. It all about how we want the world to see us and value us. Problems arise when we try to change ourselves in pursuit of being valued more and results are inconsistent. Комментарий от : @MoovyTimeProductions |
 | Did you have any women actually oversee your script before you recorded it? Really the bride as a fully masculine character.... Комментарий от : @LeeroniLee |
 | I don’t agree with your take on Alien. That Ripley is a young woman feels relevant to how her superiors continually ignore her concerns Комментарий от : @katie3603 |
 | the problem with "strong women" in movies these days is that writers seem to think women need to act like men to be strong. but that's backwards this is how it works: strong man = person who happens to be male + strength + masculinity strong woman = person who happens to be female + strength + femininity but for some reason, hollywood seems to think: strong woman = person who happens to be female + strength + masculinity (??) and again. that's ass-backwards. if you can't separate strength from masculinity, then you truly have internalized the misogyny, and YOU are the problem. i love strong men AND strong women. but i hate when women acting like men think they're being "strong women" because of it. sigh... Комментарий от : @JW-qd3ol |
| don't you dare mansplain how to write women to me. lmfao Комментарий от : @JW-qd3ol |
 | The strangest complaint about female characters I still can't grasp is when they want to be mothers. What is so wrong about a woman wanting to embrace motherhood or feeling depressed that she can't like Black Widow in Age of Ultron? Beatrix Kiddo is a mother and she killed 79 swordsmen, Ripley killed a handful of xenomorphs and a queen, Sarah Connor destroyed a killing machine and almost the T-1000. What exactly is what doesn't make them feminist enough? Комментарий от : @skar8009 |
 | Writing women...first movie makes a woman NOT a woman...OK Комментарий от : @ivanichianus683 |
 | "There's no wrong way to write women."? Really? Комментарий от : @cuddlefishtreasures338 |
 | There is a wrong way to write women, either super stereotypical ‘hot girl’ who’s only personality is being female, or just a gender swapped guy. Комментарий от : @Callie_Cosmo |
 | Why are all the people offended by the note this video ends on, I do not understand. What he means is that there is no wrong way to write any character in any context, male or female or other. There are 7 point something billion people on the planet and each of them is different. Being human(even a written one) in any way cannot be wrong, it is just one way out of many. Комментарий от : @nonishanegi8408 |
 | You deserve so many more subscribers, this channel is legitimately the best movie/film based channel ive ever seen and is edited perfectly. Every video ive seen on this channel has surprised me in the significance of each subject and has changed the way I see the art of films. Keep it going man, its a sin that cinemasins has more notoriety. Комментарий от : @BoHorn |
 | The Bride in Kill Bill is a traditional feminine archetype. Ishtar, Athena, Kali, and many others are female war goddesses. They kill and revel in revenge. Even stripped of her war goddess status, Aphrodite started the Trojan war and killed plenty of people out of spite alone. Kali juices a demon like a lemon and drinks his blood. A woman can be violent. Комментарий от : @km1dash6 |
 | Something I love about Black Mirror is how characters are usually more than their gender or ethnicity. Комментарий от : @limonx6778 |
 | I'm so glad there's finally a video that teaches me, a woman, how to write women. Комментарий от : @kittygrimm7301 |
 | Does she not have a name? She’s only called the bride??? I feel like the fact that she has no name and that the name she IS called is something that by nature (at this time) shows her relationship to a man miiiiiiiight say something about how well-written of a woman character she is?? In fleabag the woman protagonist also has no name but what she’s called doesn’t have any relationship to the men in her life like if she was called “daughter.” Her lack of name comes from her own negative view of herself. Also isn’t the whole point of kill bill that she is shedding her past identity as a bride and killing her ex? Then why is she called the bride? Think about that. 👀 Комментарий от : @musicalnerds101 |
 | here's a very common wrong way to write a woman: she's there only for sex. she has no character development, implying that women are shallow, and she is the token female reinforcing some stereotype about women. She doesn't seem to mind that she's only there for sex, and loves when a guy orders her to do something. She lives for boys. Sound familiar? This is wrong because it reinforces and encourages sexist beliefs that women are only good for sex and chores, and that having agency is distinctly un-woman-like. (And yes.. you can have a shallow female character who does things for the attention of men. But this character trope is especially harmful when you give her no depth and most of the women in your movie/book/etc are like this. Please don't follow the token female trope.) Комментарий от : @inkterp5322 |
 | You repeatedly said something on the lines of "she is strong and fights. She plays a masculine role". This point of view is so profoundly wrong and offensive. Women are just as strong as men. Women are just as capable of defending those that they love. They simply have less physical strength and tend to be less aggressive. Women are however TRADITIONALLLY portrayed as weak, passive, not to be taken serious, sex objects ...( The list goes on) Please check your own derogatory beliefs and prejudices before making such a video Комментарий от : @jeanneg6004 |
 | Somehow this video reminded me of Nagma Khatoon from movie Gangs of Wasseypur. Комментарий от : @DC69420 |
 | Like everyone else. There. Комментарий от : @qballer82 |
 | Ripley on Aliens(1992) is still probably one of the best representation of a feminine character being badass without being a masculine that I've ever seen.. the way she cared for Newt was something that only a true mother instinct would do.. Комментарий от : @cyberdemon9306 |
 | Parts of this video is straight up problematic. Really bad. The fact you think the bride acts in a "masculine" way proves the problem that women don't take enough initiatives in cinema. They aren't the driving force, or the character that makes her own plan and sets herself on a quest, so you think it's a masculine thing. I'm basically repeating what other comments have said. Комментарий от : @cloe412 |
 | I mean...my mom fight with every single family member of mine like the mom in Lady Bird fight with her daughter... Комментарий от : @user-ed9si1he5p |
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 | “There’s no wrong way to write women” You sure about that bud? Комментарий от : @facetsofus2008 |
 | I give this video a barely passing grade, superficial except the Clarisse discussion and the final sentence is WRONG Комментарий от : @BeautifulEarthJa |
 | "There's no wrong way to write women" actually there is and im disappointed you didn't explore the countless of times when male writers totally butchered writing women Комментарий от : @RunaSunset |
 | I think of it as the yin yang symbol. Duality of masculinity and femininity in all of us. Most people are dominant in one, but you always have a spot of the other. Комментарий от : @tyskbulle |
 | I mean I guess the video is trying to be progressive but a lot of the analysis/comments are kinda reinforcing gendered stereotypes Комментарий от : @bayron.acosta |
 | Flim name please Комментарий от : @gopivinoth926 |
 | I think its more effective to write a strong woman rather than a woman who’s essentially a strong man Комментарий от : @Bsknten |
 | How about not trying to make formulas like this and actually observing and interacting with real women if you want that realism? "Just ignore the gender/ just emphasize the gender/ just flip the gender" all are just few ways. You can't just think clear cut patterns around this. The best writing is one actually based in observation, not hacks. Комментарий от : @tulikas9862 |
 | The problem with writing characters without gender or race in mind is that it erases the personal interactions and struggles of that identity. It normalizes being a white guy as what is the standard of life and categorizes other experiences as "other." Комментарий от : @emmamackintosh4200 |
 | I love how little women was written! Комментарий от : @penthing |
 | It's funny. I've never thought of The Bride in Kill Bill as being coded as masculine at all. Her anger and thirst for vengeance never once felt masculine to me. Yes the film is an homage to those films who typically had male protagonists, but her character never felt like an imitation of them. It always seems to me that when some men find a woman to be engaging on a certain level on-screen, they attribute this feeling of empathy to the fact that the character is written "like a man" or has "masculine" qualities. I'd argue that we have just been over-exposed to a certain kind of representation of women on-screen, and that when presented with an alternative expression of female identity, the quickest and easiest interpretation is that she's being written like a man. You are empathising with her because we all share these traits. Please let female characters own their traits without attributing them to being masculine. Комментарий от : @tumblweed100 |
 | I love silence of the lambs. Such a great movie. My god. Комментарий от : @qine6559 |
 | I wouldn't say Ripley is represented genderless when she spends a good portion of the movie in her underwear and without any trace of corporal hair Комментарий от : @mariatxxxc |
 | Masculinity in women in action films is such a problematic catch 22. Action films inherently demand for combat-competent individuals. Therefore masculine women leads are infinitely easier to write in these stories. So I completely understand why there are so many unrealistically brash and aggressive women in these films. Alien avoided this by playing up the maternity instinct aspect but this definitely shows how much harder it is to leverage feminine traits in action films. I would like to watch more representation of feminine characters to build up the diversity but I can completely understand why they are so rare. I think that the natural tendency to write masculine women in these stories are falsely equated to writers having a toxic SJW agenda. Sometimes it just cannot be helped. Комментарий от : @yiklongtay6029 |
 | “ Who would’ve thought a mothers opinion on her daughters clothes that she tries on would have so many layers?” I did. Комментарий от : @parxfilms2548 |
 | 9:09 I'm not so sure about that bud Комментарий от : @ForeignOnEarth |
 | Seriously I wish you wouldn't reduce traits like fighting, defending oneself, seeking revenge or protecting others to mere masculine qualities- its human to do all those things. Women ARE human. If a female character can fight and be a strong opponent that doesn't mean she has masculine traits - it means she's human. Humans are capable of that. Комментарий от : @mansishukla6779 |
 | as a fellow woman viewing the opening clip; i did not know that either 😐 Комментарий от : @meow7629 |
 | I totally disagree that the Kill Bill protagonist is a masculine character, in fact, I'd go as far as to say that role could have only been played by a woman. (what man would run away from there partner because that partner is not fit to raise a child, start a new relationship to try and achieve that perfect family life. gets left for dead and then raped in hospital - then goes on a revenge spree only to then to take back his baby and live that nice happy new life he always wanted) sounds like a role for a woman, the mistake made is to conflate action hero to male characters - because its a action move it does not mean it as to be masculine. action stars can be woman and I think Kill bill is a great example of how you can include women into the genre. Комментарий от : @CavacanHD |
 | I wish you'd mention Mildred Hayes from Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. Frances McDormand was amazing in that movie, and imo it was one of the best ways you could write a woman Комментарий от : @humma0 |
